All explained here in very plain and simple english.

quote:Originally posted by sww:
All explained here in very plain and simple english.

Ummm....that kid needs a spell checker. And a grammer checker. And a rumor checker.

yes, for 12yr olds and younger it will be the best.

At least the kid is on the right track. He's getting himself to the public with a directed and pointed opinion. I just wish it were possible to give kids directed constructive criticism without worrying they would have their hearts crushed.

LOL! Is that a real site or some joke?

Please comment. This is a fair, but slightly biased toward Nintendo (C'mon, admit it, everybody's going to be slightly biased about it), overview of X-Box versus Gamecube.

This kid is right in principle, wrong in facts. He's right in the processor is the equivilant of a 800MHz P3 or Athlon T-Bird, but the verdict is yet to be heard on whether the Flipper (Radeon2?) or the NV20 (GeForce3) is more powerful. As is mentioned in the article, Games (Not specifications) make a console great. He's also right in that Microsoft makes computing products, not consoles. One problem that I've seen is that XBox and PS2 are trying to do everything (And acheving rather mediocrely), rather than be great at one thing (Games). Sony shot itself in the leg with too much hype but not enough systems to back it up, and since Sega games will be available for all systems, I'd say it's a race between X-Box and Gamecube. Gamecube has two things going for it that X-Box doesn't:
1) Easy to produce games for. (That's where Nintendo went wrong with the N64- not enough quality games because it was too frickin' hard to develop for.) They have revamped their development kit, and most 2nd and 3rd parties say it's a breeze to develop for. This means great games... and great new versions of Nintendo classics. (I really should get a job writing Nintendo press releases, shouldn't I.) Factor 5, LucasArts, Rareware, maybe even Square and more will develop games for Gamecube. X-Box will have a bunch of PC ports, but aren't those what we have PCs for?

2)Portable System Interactivity. Gamecube will work hand-in-hand with Gameboy Advance, so Gameboy and Gamecube versions of games from the same series can exchange information ala Transfer Pak, as well as being able to serve as a controller + personal screen. Show inventory, map, ETC on the GBA and watch where you are on your big-screen TV.

Other things going for Gamecube include
-The memory card. There will be a propritory memory card, as well as a cheap adaptor for SmartMedia cards (I think it's that brand of Solid-state memory, but I'm not sure). It will make it easy to do some cool stuff, such as put your face into movies via digital camera, add your own soundtrack, and make the DexDrive obsoulete. (For those unfarmiliar, the DexDrive, made by Interact, was a memory card adaptor that hooked up to your computer for greater storage and to send saves over the internet.)
-Wireless controller that works well. 'Nuff said.
-Internet play from the start that DOESN'T require a propritory internet connection. You can use an existing internet connection to play network games (No new ISPs), and both 56k and Broadband connections will be available.
-Sweet graphics. I've seen some videos, and the real-time demos look superior to pre-rendered FFIX cinema sequences.
-Low cost. X-Box: $500. Gamecube: $150. If you were going to buy one console, and you felt like they were both quality systems, which one would you choose?

Well, with that said, I'll bet you can guess which system I'm supporting. I apologise if I offended anyone, and it's everyone's personal choice, so please don't flame me. I'm not saying that X-Box sucks, but I am saying that Gamecube is superior to it. With that said, I will finish with...

NINTENDO FOREVER!

Another thing: The metroid pic in the article is pre-rendered. I've seen the other videos that weren't pre-renderd, and they look much better anyway.

BTW, Consoles are generally going to be better at playing games for three reasons:
1) They are designed to play games, and nothing else. Because of that, they optomize performance towards playing games without surfing the internet, word processing, or image editing even as an afterthought.
2) The games run better. The designers make sure it'll run well for the platform it's designed for, and because of no variances in specifications, it will run well on any system that hasn't been totally explatived up in fluke circumstances.
3) No patches. At first, this may seem like a disadvantage. But, if you think about it, it makes sense. Programmers and Beta Testers work harder to eliminate bugs because they know they don't have a second chance to fix it, and generally do better at it.

My thought on the XBox is that it's just a closed PC designed specifically for gaming. It looks like a console, it acts like a console, it smells like a console, and it might even taste like a console, but it's still more PC than console.

At it's heart is Windows and DirectX 8 plus a Pentium III and GeForce3. How much more PC can you get.

IMHO, DirectX is a awesome set of APIs so I think the XBox will be successful. Coupled with the GeForce3, the least the XBox will do is kick ass.

Did I read that right, "30$" is that $30 because if it his I'm buying a Gamecube. I agree with awa64 that some of his facts are wrong, particularly about the prices, $900 for a console, please.

Wait a sec, JDC.

PIII 733MHz: Currently $150 US.
GeForce 3 (NV20) $600 US at release.
Good DVD-ROM Drive: Currently $60 US.
Propritory MOBO: I dunno, maybe $100 US?
Casing, included controller: maybe $30 US?
Profit: Knowing M$, at least $75 US.

Comes to about $900 US when scaled down to show factory-direct pricing, although prices will assuredly come down. So, maybe the kid was calculating the price as of NOW. However, I wouldn't give the kid that much credit, so you're probably right that he's a moron.

Thoth: I'm offended.
BTW, Turok, GE007, Conker's Bad Fur Day, Perfect Dark, Hexen, any of those ring a bell? Check facts before blurting out something that could be interpreted as offensive.

quote:
(note bits are most important in determining which console rocks)

GameCube around 30$

LOL is all I have to say about that.

the X-box will win for one reason, Micro$oft.
I wouldn't be surprized if MS will lose $$ on hardware to make money on the games, they will have to keep the price competitive if they wish to have any chance in hell, $500 is still to much for a console(even if it sucked my ****), and I've heard that they're charging $200 or more for developer kits so they should make a lot of money there.

awa64: it's to bad you were offended, I've played most of the games on your list and the only one I liked was Perfect Dark, I have a playstation and the only game that I've really liked on it was Metal Gear.
You have to admit that Nintendo is known for being a younger persons platform.

quote:Originally posted by Thoth:
the X-box will win for one reason, Micro$oft.
I wouldn't be surprized if MS will lose $$ on hardware to make money on the games, they will have to keep the price competitive if they wish to have any chance in hell, $500 is still to much for a console(even if it sucked my ****), and I've heard that they're charging $200 or more for developer kits so they should make a lot of money there.

awa64: it's to bad you were offended, I've played most of the games on your list and the only one I liked was Perfect Dark, I have a playstation and the only game that I've really liked on it was Metal Gear.
You have to admit that Nintendo is known for being a younger persons platform.

What about the recent release of Conker's Bad Fur Day for N64. This has a M rating, making equivalent to a R-rated movie. This probably doesn't prove anything but I just thought I'd point that out.

quote:Originally posted by awa64:

1) Easy to produce games for. (That's where Nintendo went wrong with the N64- not enough quality games because it was too frickin' hard to develop for.) They have revamped their development kit, and most 2nd and 3rd parties say it's a breeze to develop for. This means great games... and great new versions of Nintendo classics. (I really should get a job writing Nintendo press releases, shouldn't I.) Factor 5, LucasArts, Rareware, maybe even Square and more will develop games for Gamecube. X-Box will have a bunch of PC ports, but aren't those what we have PCs for?

Microsoft is even easier to develop for thanks to its DirectX API. And it uses standard DVDs for media rather than the proprietary 8cm discs Gamecube will use. This means that once games get larger, Gamecube games will require multiple disks, where Xbox will only need one. This means less cost for the developer.

2)Portable System Interactivity. Gamecube will work hand-in-hand with Gameboy Advance, so Gameboy and Gamecube versions of games from the same series can exchange information ala Transfer Pak, as well as being able to serve as a controller + personal screen. Show inventory, map, ETC on the GBA and watch where you are on your big-screen TV.

Yeah, that is a cool feature.

Other things going for Gamecube include
-The memory card. There will be a propritory memory card, as well as a cheap adaptor for SmartMedia cards (I think it's that brand of Solid-state memory, but I'm not sure). It will make it easy to do some cool stuff, such as put your face into movies via digital camera, add your own soundtrack, and make the DexDrive obsoulete. (For those unfarmiliar, the DexDrive, made by Interact, was a memory card adaptor that hooked up to your computer for greater storage and to send saves over the internet.)

Xbox has memory cards AND a hard drive.

-Wireless controller that works well. 'Nuff said.
-Internet play from the start that DOESN'T require a propritory internet connection. You can use an existing internet connection to play network games (No new ISPs), and both 56k and Broadband connections will be available.

I wouldn't say from the start. You have to buy an addon modem or ethernet adapter for Gamecube. Xbox includes it. Also, any ISP will work with Xbox.

-Sweet graphics. I've seen some videos, and the real-time demos look superior to pre-rendered FFIX cinema sequences.

-Low cost. X-Box: $500. Gamecube: $150. If you were going to buy one console, and you felt like they were both quality systems, which one would you choose?

Xbox will more likely be $300, and since I have no problems paying more for quality, I'd get Xbox.

Well, with that said, I'll bet you can guess which system I'm supporting. I apologise if I offended anyone, and it's everyone's personal choice, so please don't flame me. I'm not saying that X-Box sucks, but I am saying that Gamecube is superior to it. With that said, I will finish with...

I just suggest you learn to seperate fact from rumor. Much of your post is based on rumors that have already been proven untrue.

[b]NINTENDO FOREVER!

[/B]

LMFAO! That is funny. Fortunately for the kid, the Game Cube will probably be pretty good. But he might have to save up some more money than that $30! hehe

I've never heard so much on the spot BS'ing in my life. You guys don't know jack! Do you work for Microsoft?No!.. Do you work for Nvidia? NO!.. Ok then have you seen what the X-box can do? NO!!!

Here are the facts little boys:

1. The X-box is not a PC. It is built for games and thats it. Just be happy Bill has the money to add the STUFF we all wanted in a game system. Shhesshh It's not going to Run WINDOWS! It's NOT Going to View your PORN! So give this idea up tards.

2. I have looked into the game cube from japan tech's and the GameCube looks just like a dam PC! Remember thats it's going to use an ATI Chip. Oh yeah, did you not know about this? Yes, I said ATI!

I strongly feel the X-box will be the best system. And I'm more than sure from what Demo's that I have seen is it's going to ROCK!

Xbox 250 graphics processor by Nvidio (not sure who they are)
PS2 doesn't have a graphics processor
GameCube 200 graphics processor called Flipper made by the leader in graphics ATI

Now that's just stupid.

(note polygons mean how many colors can appear on screen at once, yes i dont expect you to understand it's very technical)

VERY TECHNICAL!

Winner? At first it looks like the GameCube is horrible. But when you look closer you see that the - was a typo. It actually reaches 612 m / sec. Or
maybe its the realtime compared to raw numbers of Xbox (Xbox only gets around 1 m / sec realtime my friend says). So GameCube wins once again.

LOOK CLOSER??? His Friend??? This is very sketchy.

Winner? Nobody needs more than 1.5GB these days. Even though games grow all the time it doesnt matter. Plus despite being custom made GODs
are cheaper so games will be cheaper.

This is amazing...more biased than the KKK to black people...this is insane

Winner? AHAHA POOR XBOX ITS NOT EVEN AS POWERFUL AS THE GAMEBOY AHAHAH. MY FRIEND TELLS ME THAT XBOX WILL
LOOK LIKE GAMEBOY BECAUSE IT HAS 32 BITS. AHAHAHAH.

Ah, so Halo's pics are for naught...

RIDGERACER (Best game ever made)

Yes...Screw Half-Life...gimme Ridge Racer!

This (I hope to god at least) has got to be a joke. No come on, look at what he did to the spec sheat, what with hit graffiti I think its pretty obvious that this is a big joke.

I cant remember where i saw it---but somebody posted peak figures for GC (equivelant to the 66m figure for PS2) at like 90 million. But N wont release those figures because it knows that an actual game wont get anywheres near that. Nice to see some integrity in posting stats. ;-)

Some of you guys must have forgotten to take your pills today

LOL:

"Mega is less than Super. UPDATE: IT is made of copper which universally known to be faster than plastic" No arguments there

He's got some good friends, one works at ATI, one at Nintendo.

"Look the GameCube is smaller than my own brain. " No arguments there either

quote:Originally posted by Ymaster:

2. I have looked into the game cube from japan tech's and the GameCube looks just like a dam PC! Remember thats it's going to use an ATI Chip. Oh yeah, did you not know about this? Yes, I said ATI!

ATI didn't design the chip. They are manufacturing it now. It's not like they put a Radeon in it.

Also, I think a lot of people think the X-Box is a small pc becuase of MS making it. I am sure it will be a good console, but I am going to wait and see. The price is what worries me.

Hmm...
Fanboy

quote:AHAHA POOR XBOX ITS NOT EVEN AS POWERFUL AS THE GAMEBOY AHAHAH. MY FRIEND TELLS ME THAT XBOX WILL
LOOK LIKE GAMEBOY BECAUSE IT HAS 32 BITS. AHAHAHAH.

Gee I think he might be a little biast.

This belongs in the General Games forum....

Hehe, just post a link to it. We need more converts over here. Muhahahahaha!

quote:Originally posted by Klashe:
This belongs in the General Games forum....

both will be good systems. i might end up getting both because the games on both look appealing.

Xbox: Halo, The Matrix, Metal gear X, Grand Turismo 3, Unreal Warfare/2, Doom 3.

GC: Zelda, Mario, Metroid and hopefully something else will come along.

GC will no longer be just kiddie oriented, nintendo learned their lesson. They lost all the hardcore gamers when they released a million pokemon games. GC will still have pokemon and mario but i can almost garentee that GC will have games that cater to gamers of all interests.

now as far as the actual specs of it, i don't know wtf they are thinking. The friggin GPU only pushes out 6-12mil polys a sec. I hope it is a typo. but 612mil sounds insanely fast.

as for this guys article, he has several of his facts confused.

"Winner? Well it's a common fact that S3TC is much better than Savage 3 TC that Xbox has. GameCube wins again."

s3tc is savage 3 TC as he calls it.

Gamecube does not have 8:1 tC it has 6:1 S3TC just like the xbox.

yes the gamecube is 512bit, at least he got that part right.

microsoft can choke on the xbox for all i care if the friggin thing costs $900. I dont see it costing more than $500 if that. 500 is just a little to high for the average person to pay.

Ok, do we all agree that the Geo-Force was made by 3DFX and not by NVidio?

The author said the Xbox also has no games for it. Obviously he hasn't been to this website
http://www.planetxbox.com/games/developers/

or this one
http://xbox.ign.com/games.html

poly gons are NOT colors.

It will be a heated battle between these 2 companies. Playstation is not a contender. (unless they release more systems in the US before Xbox and GC debut)

This is about the funniest thing that i have seen all day. all console reviews should be made by 10 year olds. life would sure be a helluva lot funnier.... i'm sure everyone around me is wondering why i am laughing my ass off at work, but oh well.

"Look the GameCube is smaller than my own brain. And Xbox is about as big as my car is what I hear. ANd don't you find youreself carrying your console around a lot? Of course not. Because it doesnt have a handle! BUT GAMECUBE DOES. Imacs have handles and they rock. But Apple sucks and so does GeoForce 3. NeVido sucks because I have their Riva 128 and it sucks compared to the GeoForce 2 (made by 3dfx). "

This kid couldn't be more right!

quote:Originally posted by The_Sharq:

s3tc is savage 3 TC as he calls it.

Ummm, no, i'm fairly sure the s3 stands for the company that created it, S3 Corporation. There never was a Savage 3 chipset. There was savage 1 and savage 4, both of which had a form of s3tc.

quote:Originally posted by blppt:
Ummm, no, i'm fairly sure the s3 stands for the company that created it, S3 Corporation. There never was a Savage 3 chipset. There was savage 1 and savage 4, both of which had a form of s3tc.

oops, my bad.

I think most of you took this tread WAY too seriously!

quote:Originally posted by sww:
I think most of you took this tread WAY too seriously!

Took the words right outta my mouth.

quote:Originally posted by BoogyMan:

Took the words right outta my mouth.

i still think all reviews should be written by uninformed 10 year olds. they are, by far, the most fun to read.......

quote:Originally posted by sww:
I think most of you took this tread WAY too seriously!

Hahaha. Geo-force and Nvidio. ROTFLMAO! ;-)

quote:Originally posted by Booshanky:
i still think all reviews should be written by uninformed 10 year olds. they are, by far, the most fun to read.......

LOL

quote:Originally posted by Ymaster:
1. The X-box is not a PC. It is built for games and thats it. Just be happy Bill has the money to add the STUFF we all wanted in a game system. Shhesshh It's not going to Run WINDOWS! It's NOT Going to View your PORN! So give this idea up tards.

Actually, it's going to run a modified version of Whistler.

Ditto and ditto.

quote:Originally posted by Booshanky:
i still think all reviews should be written by uninformed 10 year olds. they are, by far, the most fun to read.......

quote:Originally posted by Bataar:
LOL

The only bad thing about the xbox is directX. Opengl games over all are so much better then d3d.

I like my Geo-Force made by 3Dfx. Ne-Vedios Riva 128 just blows compared to my Geo-Force. LOL!!!!!!

I wish that kid left an email address. i would love to provide him with some more accurate information, mainly with my 3Dfx Geo-Force. LOL!

quote:Originally posted by Catscratch:
Actually, it's going to run a modified version of Whistler.

Bah..the hell you say! Just another rumor. No one knows what it will run. And Whistler is not even a game OS!

quote:Originally posted by Ymaster:
Bah..the hell you say! Just another rumor. No one knows what it will run. And Whistler is not even a game OS!

If it's just a rumor, then what else runs DirectX? It sure the hell isn't Linux.

It will run on a windows kernal similar to the dreamcast. It is not going to be an os. Well that is what I have read. I wouldn't be surprised if there is an opening screen with some ms logo, but doesn't sony do that also?

LOL, yes indeed it seems you all took this way to seriosuly... I am 100% sure this website is a complete joke.. mean to poke fun at people like whoever wrote it is pretending to be. It also seems to be a bit of a rip-off of jeffk: http://somethingawful.efront.com/jeffk/

LOL i really hope nobody took this article seriously... i mean come ON...

quote:Originally posted by pertinax:
LOL, yes indeed it seems you all took this way to seriosuly... I am 100% sure this website is a complete joke.. mean to poke fun at people like whoever wrote it is pretending to be. It also seems to be a bit of a rip-off of jeffk: http://somethingawful.efront.com/jeffk/

LOL i really hope nobody took this article seriously... i mean come ON...

I still think the site is funny.

that jeffk site is just retarded. anyone who spells that poorly (intentional or not) is just lame. i dont even find any humor in that. it's just too difficult trying to decipher his heiroglyphics.

Read his comparison of Intel Vs AMD.... the results of his "benchmarks" will enlighten you =). Jeff of course is enlightened and likes Intel (amd=sux0rs)

quote:Originally posted by sww:
All explained here in very plain and simple english.

Heheheh! You guys all make me laugh! That site was just bogus!

It's funny how awa64 took it so seriously and even commented on what was written in the website. lol

Nintendo rox!!! I love Turok1/2/3 Golden eye but like my Sega saturn/dreamcast PS 1/2 if the games suck the console sux.

Sony and Nintendo have great games and a huge fan base.

Microsoft thinks it has a fan base of every1 who has a PC well hello the Xbox X 2 dose not come close to the specs of my computer and because my monitor can do 640X480 to 1600X1200 32bit my computer will always look better to.

also there are a ton of games out for the PC already and the Xbox will be release with 5-15 games that are already on PCs and are better while the Xbox might reach a total of 200 games in its lifespan the PC will have 500-1000+ in that time.

Ok, here we go again.

There will be many games on Xbox that will never see the light of day on a PC. There will be many games on Xbox that will never see the light of day on any other console. These games are called exclusives. Just because a game has not been announced as of yet (March 12, 2001 7:24pm PST) does not mean it will never come out. I find it difficult to believe that any person who claims to be intelligent seem to think that the only games that will be out for any system are the ones that have been announced months before the console's release date. Hopefully, you're still able to understand what I'm saying.

There will be some ports, and there will be some cross development, but it's like that with every console. Take MDK2, a game I'm rather enjoying. It is available on the Dreamcast and PC. Is it a PC port? No. Is it a Dreamcast port? No.

Due to similar hardware, it makes comparing performance to a PC rather easy. Basically, until PC games are written with a minimum config of a Pentium III 733 and a GeForce 3, Xbox games will be better than PC games. Today, most PC games are designed to be able to run on a P2 266, 8meg 3D accelerated video card and 64 megs of RAM. With a faster machine, you'll get faster framerates and higher resolutions. THAT'S IT When a game is written to take full advantage of a higher end system, developers can include more graphical details, more gameplay features, better AI, etc.

Hopefully, I didn't go too fast for you. If you found my explanation too complicated, let me know and I will try to simplify it for you.

quote:Originally posted by reznor13:
It will run on a windows kernal similar to the dreamcast. It is not going to be an os. Well that is what I have read. I wouldn't be surprised if there is an opening screen with some ms logo, but doesn't sony do that also?

DC can use Windows CE (AKA WinCE) but AFAIK most games use a Sega DC proprietary OS. The reason they made it WinCE compatible was to make it easier for PC games to be ported to the DC. All console systems display the company's logo for a few seconds. It's not that big of a deal.
Nobody mentioned that the Xbox will come w/ a HD which may mean companies releasing buggy games, then expecting you to download a patch to fix everything. Also, consoles are designed to be played on a TV meaning 640x480 resolution. You can only fit so many polygons and stuff at that low (compared to PCs) a resolution.

quote:Originally posted by Bataar:
Ok, here we go again.

There will be many games on Xbox that will never see the light of day on a PC. There will be many games on Xbox that will never see the light of day on any other console. These games are called exclusives. Just because a game has not been announced as of yet (March 12, 2001 7:24pm PST) does not mean it will never come out. I find it difficult to believe that any person who claims to be intelligent seem to think that the only games that will be out for any system are the ones that have been announced months before the console's release date. Hopefully, you're still able to understand what I'm saying.

lol me no understand. jk.. Another note, for the GC people, tell me one launch title for the system? Most companies will wait til E3 to give out details and once May is here, it will be a lot clearer. Cost, games, dates, hopefully will all be given out then.