http://sikander_iqbal.tripod.com/xbox/

VE got a call from MS tonight cause he put a video of it, hehe he had to take it down but those are the real pics of the console

/cant wait for that baby

"notice how the controller is sooo similar to gamecube"

Man... I have to say: that looks sleek!! Oh well... I prefer PCs

SCREENS OF GAMES!!!
http://www.geocities.com/drcruzumble/xboxscreen3.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/drcruzumble/xboxscreen1.jpg

p.s. if the pics are taken down (cause MS is PISSED OFF that its everywhere in the net) i will just upload them or email them to whoever cant find them on the 1000+ websites with them lol

Thanks for the links, Buggy! Pretty sweet (even though I hope the X-box goes down in flames ).

Not really that impressed. The controller looks... i dunno, is that a big yellow ball? lol sorry, but the controller reminds me of a Dreamcast. imagine MS copying a product. hehe, oh well, I will wait and see what games they have for it.

I think that the Xbox is a joke and no one in their right mind should buy it. Why, well how many bugs does Windows have? A lot, and how does MS fix those, make you pay to fix them. So I think MS will do the same for the Xbox. Plus I hate MS, so I would never buy a MS probuct unless I have to like with windows.

Hey Sol I like the DC controller, I think its great. So thats why MS copyied it. But I think it looks more like the 3rd party DC controllers.

Duo

quote:Originally posted by Duo:

Hey Sol I like the DC controller, I think its great. So thats why MS copyied it. But I think it looks more like the 3rd party DC controllers.

Duo

yeah, imagine Microsoft copying someone elses concept. hmmm yeah, I actually sat down this weekend and played DC. I mostly played football, but still really nice.

The controller is a DC+gamcube copy

if you check the model if the DC one (heck even similar to saturn) but the button layout is the gamecube.

the controls are BIG, WAY to big...this system will be a failur in japan for sure, they dont like big stuffs, they didnt like the n64 cause of the big controller either so i doubt xbox will be a big success there.

quote:Originally posted by BuggyLoop:
The controller is a DC+gamcube copy

if you check the model if the DC one (heck even similar to saturn) but the button layout is the gamecube.

the controls are BIG, WAY to big...this system will be a failur in japan for sure, they dont like big stuffs, they didnt like the n64 cause of the big controller either so i doubt xbox will be a big success there.

Also remember they are brand loyal in Japan. I see the Xbox mainly being a US system... but I am sure they will try.

The Xbox is gonna own. Don't know if it will beat PS2 in sales but it will definitly be the best console available.

Whatever u guys think of Microsoft, its X-Box will still rise to the top of the market... Microsoft knows, among other things, how to market their products. They are very good at this -- evident by the widespread global adoption of Windows as the choice OS for PCs around the world. The X-Box can be riddled with problems, but it will still sell. PS2 has problems -- its games SUCK!! So wut if everyone thinks MS copied the DC controllers... everybody copies something or other... anyway, thats my 2 centz... much as i hate to admit it, Microsoft's X-Box will rule the console market within 6 months after its release date.

Yea but what are you typing with right now? a pc right? an Xbox is a mini pc, nothing more..

Gamecube is for gaming only, will be cheap cause there are no useless DVD on it, its for games only. panasonic will release a gamecube with DVD a few months after for those that cant live without movies.

Nintendo will win the japan console war for sure, they might win the north america also, cause every single persons i know are already planning to buy the gamecube, as soon as you can order it they will, i have yet to know a single friend that will buy Xbox, cause they have a PC.

Games for the xbox will probably ship to gamecube also, 3rd party developers arent loyal to anyone in that war, the only game i know so far for xbox only is halo, but i prefer playing it on my pc.

wont stop me from buying both anyway, but gamecube is really for games.

toonz, it doesnt make sense.

compare OS to a console? Guess why windows is so popular, its cause WE HAVE NO CHOICE, the only good alternative is LINUX, and thats not for the average joe that just bought his PC.

But in the console world, you got sega, sony,nintendo against M$, they arent only in that war and im sure as hell nintendo wont give them an easy time.

Everyone are so impressed with the xbox specs, 733mhz p3 is slower than the 400mhz ibm chip of the GC, also they keep pushing down the specs.

anyway lets see how it comes at E3

quote:Originally posted by BuggyLoop:
toonz, it doesnt make sense.

compare OS to a console? Guess why windows is so popular, its cause WE HAVE NO CHOICE, the only good alternative is LINUX, and thats not for the average joe that just bought his PC.

But in the console world, you got sega, sony,nintendo against M$, they arent only in that war and im sure as hell nintendo wont give them an easy time.

Everyone are so impressed with the xbox specs, 733mhz p3 is slower than the 400mhz ibm chip of the GC, also they keep pushing down the specs.

anyway lets see how it comes at E3

Also, dont forget about price. a KEY factor... the Gamecube will come in around $100 to $150... wher X-box will be $200 + I don't think it will fail, but i seriouslly dont think its going to be amazing. If you notice, each system has a good set of games, Sony = Square, Sega = Sonic franchise among a ton of other original games and Nintendo... well Mario, Zelda, Donkey Kong. So far, I have seen some ports of PC games and a few others, but nothing that is ground breaking. I am excited to see what it brings to the table but I am not going to say it will dominate. I think by the time its released sony will have a rather large lead and also X-box will have to compete with Nintendo, and Sony. Possibly Dreamcast. whew... just wait till E3 The good thing is.... we will have plenty to choose from this coming Fall.

quote:Originally posted by Sol:
Also, dont forget about price. a KEY factor... the Gamecube will come in around $100 to $150... wher X-box will be $200 + I don't think it will fail, but i seriouslly dont think its going to be amazing. If you notice, each system has a good set of games, Sony = Square, Sega = Sonic franchise among a ton of other original games and Nintendo... well Mario, Zelda, Donkey Kong. So far, I have seen some ports of PC games and a few others, but nothing that is ground breaking. I am excited to see what it brings to the table but I am not going to say it will dominate. I think by the time its released sony will have a rather large lead and also X-box will have to compete with Nintendo, and Sony. Possibly Dreamcast. whew... just wait till E3 The good thing is.... we will have plenty to choose from this coming Fall.

yep you are right, X-box really lacks any orginal games. All the game makers that MS have also makes games for teh other consoles.

Also I think the X-box will cost more than $200. I can see it costing $400.

Duo

quote:Originally posted by Duo:
yep you are right, X-box really lacks any orginal games. All the game makers that MS have also makes games for teh other consoles.

Also I think the X-box will cost more than $200. I can see it costing $400.

Duo

Yeah, I am thinking $300 to $400. I am sure we will be able to get the graphics chip from NVidia for the pc eventually. So to me, the XBox is just a dumbed down version of the PC

quote:Originally posted by Sol:
Yeah, I am thinking $300 to $400. I am sure we will be able to get the graphics chip from NVidia for the pc eventually. So to me, the XBox is just a dumbed down version of the PC

Nope, the Nvidia graphics chip is for Xbox only. Part of their deal with Microsoft. Who cares if it's a mini PC. PCs currently have much better games than consoles. With Xbox we will be getting the best of both. I don't know where you guys come off saying that there are no original games or that all games for Xbox are just PC ports. That is not true at all and you people need to do some reading rather than spewing sh*t. There will be a lot of great Xbox games that are for Xbox only. It will have by far, the best graphics of any console or PC when it is released. Right now, PCs have the best graphics, but even games like Alice will run on a 300mhz celeron PC. With Xbox, we'll get games that require a minimum of a 733mhz system with Nvidia's most advanced graphics chip ever. In terms of graphics, there will be absolutely no competition. Add the fact that Xbox has every major console developer signed for it not to mention developers that are only developing for Xbox such has Lionhead Studios, and the fact that it will be the easiest system to develop for, it's ethernet port, and HDTV compatibility, it will be the best console on the market hands down. I do not think it will come close to replacing PC gaming, but console wise, there is no other option.

sorry but i keep seeing on this board that Xbox will have better graphics than anything else................ sigh, and how come? they keep pushing down the specs of it and right now the gamecube have MORE power and poly than the xbox.

and from seeing the early screenshots like i posted, it doesnt come near the gamecube IMO, read ..IMO

edit... oh yea about the "easiest to develope for" well nintendo said the samething, and according to EA (which got the dev kit) GC is very very easy to develop for.ethernet port, well gamecube got that also.

i dont see the point of arguing anyway, we will only start to see what its like at E3 this year, but your opinions were a little wrong imo, Xbox and GC arent that far ahead of the PS2 graphic wise.

quote:Originally posted by BuggyLoop:
they keep pushing down the specs of it (edited January 03, 2001).]

They bumped one thing down once. Not that it will have much of a noticable difference, it will still have the best graphics. Nvidia makes the best graphics by far. ATI sucks compared to Nvidia.

aahhh i see now, another nvidia fanboy, lol now that explains it all.

and btw, going from the 300m poly of the original spec to 125 IS a big difference, wake up man, Xbox wont have better graphics than gamecube, factor 5 said you cant tell the difference between the xbox and gamecube.

Mark my words... In the end Microsoft will be victorious! Weather I or anyone else likes it. They have to much money to be killed off easily. If Microsoft want a piece of the gaming industry they will get it. Like a spoiled kid in a toy store.

Stop Microsoft!!!

Microsoft rocks. They make the best hardware, every keyboard, mouse, and joystick I own is by Microsoft, Windows 2000 is the best OS out there, and there is not another office suite out there that comes close to being as complete as Microsoft Office. Microsoft's gaming group is also quite good of late. MechWarrior 4, Age2, Crimson Skies, Asheron's Call all rock. Microsoft fookin' rocks.

quote:Originally posted by Bataar:
Microsoft rocks. They make the best hardware, every keyboard, mouse, and joystick I own is by Microsoft, Windows 2000 is the best OS out there, and there is not another office suite out there that comes close to being as complete as Microsoft Office. Microsoft's gaming group is also quite good of late. MechWarrior 4, Age2, Crimson Skies, Asheron's Call all rock. Microsoft fookin' rocks.

i feel sorry for you, MS have probably the crappiest joysticks you can find, and trust me im not a newbie at this, i won like 100+ king of the hill tournements on JSF and i know how a REAL joysticks should be like, so far MS are far from being close to thrustmaster or CH product.

quote:Originally posted by Bataar:
Nope, the Nvidia graphics chip is for Xbox only. Part of their deal with Microsoft. Who cares if it's a mini PC. PCs currently have much better games than consoles. With Xbox we will be getting the best of both. I don't know where you guys come off saying that there are no original games or that all games for Xbox are just PC ports. That is not true at all and you people need to do some reading rather than spewing sh*t. There will be a lot of great Xbox games that are for Xbox only. It will have by far, the best graphics of any console or PC when it is released. Right now, PCs have the best graphics, but even games like Alice will run on a 300mhz celeron PC. With Xbox, we'll get games that require a minimum of a 733mhz system with Nvidia's most advanced graphics chip ever. In terms of graphics, there will be absolutely no competition. Add the fact that Xbox has every major console developer signed for it not to mention developers that are only developing for Xbox such has Lionhead Studios, and the fact that it will be the easiest system to develop for, it's ethernet port, and HDTV compatibility, it will be the best console on the market hands down. I do not think it will come close to replacing PC gaming, but console wise, there is no other option.

Ok give me a list of original games? Because the list i saw, didnt have any major hits. You have to go back and look at my example. I would like to see a list of these original games that stack up to Nintendos in house games, or Square, or Sonic?

quote:Originally posted by Bataar:
Microsoft rocks. They make the best hardware, every keyboard, mouse, and joystick I own is by Microsoft, Windows 2000 is the best OS out there, and there is not another office suite out there that comes close to being as complete as Microsoft Office. Microsoft's gaming group is also quite good of late. MechWarrior 4, Age2, Crimson Skies, Asheron's Call all rock. Microsoft fookin' rocks.

Don't get me wrong, Microsoft does make good products, but their list of bad products far outweighs the good. Also, about the hardware, you are making it sound like the Xbox will have the greatest graphics. You think if NVidia releases the NV20 or 25 upgrade chipset for the XBOX only that the NV30 or whatever wont be beter? sorry, it is a dumbed down PC.

quote:Originally posted by Adamp44:
Mark my words... In the end Microsoft will be victorious! Weather I or anyone else likes it. They have to much money to be killed off easily. If Microsoft want a piece of the gaming industry they will get it. Like a spoiled kid in a toy store.
Stop Microsoft!!!

You have to remember, this isn't the OS market. You have two very large and very financially stable companies. Nintendo and Sony and the gaming market is very brand loyal, especially in other countries. I don't think Microsoft will fail, bt I don't think they will dominate. Seriously, how can a $300-$400 game/dvd system compete with a $150 system? that are going to be close to equal in the specs. Also thrown in a brand name like Mario, Zelda, Donkey Kong, Pokeman.... I dunno. Mario vs Halo... hmm could be interesting. We wont know for awhile so this debate will go on for awhile.

EDIT: Just read up that the Xbox right now is running with the NV20. Now, I know this wont be the exact same thing, but isn't the next Nvidia chip for PCs going to be the NV20 or NV25?

Yea sol, nv20 coming in Q1 2001

quote:Originally posted by BuggyLoop:
Yea sol, nv20 coming in Q1 2001

Thanks. So, I don't have much time do look into this today, but does anyone know what the difference between the XBox NV20 and the PC NV20 is?

Well what i "know" so far is the Xbox nv20 right now is 250mhz, and pc 300mhz (maybe more) cause the 300mhz was the original spec but they turned it down.

oh also pc will have HSR, fully dx8 compliant. probably same with xbox since their API is dx8

quote:Originally posted by Sol:
Thanks. So, I don't have much time do look into this today, but does anyone know what the difference between the XBox NV20 and the PC NV20 is?

When the Xbox ships, it won't be using the NV20, it will be using a more advanced GPU that will be proprietary for Xbox.

Another cool shot of xbox that show its size

I wish they would of taken the black or silver Gamecube for the picture hehehe.

In term of design gamecube=Imac and xbox=pc dont you think? gamecube is so small and simple next to it.

give me the link then, cause the nvidia for xbox is sooo similar to the PC nv20 that you can barely tell the difference except the gpu for xbox slower than nv20, they might not call it nv20, maybe nv25, but who cares, nv20 will own it when you put it on a PC.

Hmmm looks like they dropped the specs again. This time it's the speed of the graphics card. here is the linke.. http://xbox.ign.com/news/29592.html

Bataar, would you give me a link to that NV20? or something with information on it? thanks

Ok lets see, choices of q4 2001

ps2- 250$
Xbox- 300$
Gamecube- 150$

Gamecube at 150 $ and even rumored to be at 100$ cause the gamecube is REALLY simply to produce and cost alot less than the rest cause of no DVD.

My choice will be, Gamecube (150$) + 3 games at 40$ each, i could also buy the gameboy advance that interract with the gamecube, AND i can play my gameboy games on it (good old classics)

If Nintendo decide to make it 100 $, get ready to see the big N dominate the year 2001, PS2 cant go under 250$, why? cause they are supposed to sell at 354$ and right now are selling at 299$, they cant go another 50$ under. Xbox, well 300 $ at launch,cost alot to produce, will take months before the price drop.

I would include dreamcast at 150$ but who would buy it when you can get a gamecube for the same price?

quote:Originally posted by BuggyLoop:
Ok lets see, choices of q4 2001

ps2- 250$
Xbox- 300$
Gamecube- 150$

Gamecube at 150 $ and even rumored to be at 100$ cause the gamecube is REALLY simply to produce and cost alot less than the rest cause of no DVD.

My choice will be, Gamecube (150$) + 3 games at 40$ each, i could also buy the gameboy advance that interract with the gamecube, AND i can play my gameboy games on it (good old classics)

If Nintendo decide to make it 100 $, get ready to see the big N dominate the year 2001, PS2 cant go under 250$, why? cause they are supposed to sell at 354$ and right now are selling at 299$, they cant go another 50$ under. Xbox, well 300 $ at launch,cost alot to produce, will take months before the price drop.

I would include dreamcast at 150$ but who would buy it when you can get a gamecube for the same price?

The Gamecube will not dominate at all. It's design is bad where the Xbox will easily fit with VCR, reciever, etc. The Gamecube is just another toy console that sits on the floor. More people want an entertainment system rather than simply a game console. The fact that the Gamecube doesn't have DVD capibility will really hurt it. The controller for Gamecube is a horrible design, imagine trying to play the latest Street Fighter game with that button layout, yikes! Smaller disk means smaller games or they will come in more expensive 2 disk versions, plus Gamecube has no where near the amount of developer support Xbox already has.

quote:Originally posted by BuggyLoop:
give me the link then, cause the nvidia for xbox is sooo similar to the PC nv20 that you can barely tell the difference except the gpu for xbox slower than nv20, they might not call it nv20, maybe nv25, but who cares, nv20 will own it when you put it on a PC.

This again is not true. Think about it. What PC game will take full advantage of an NV25 and a 733 mhz CPU? None. With a GeForce 1, PC games still do not make full use of it. Why? Because they have to cater to the lowest common denominator. The Xbox will have better graphics than a PC for years or until games require a minimum config of a P3 733 with an NV25. Since games are still being made to accomodate P2 233s, I predict that will be a ways off.

Sorry to say that, but your full of shit.

The Gamecube will not dominate at all. It's design is bad where the Xbox will easily fit with VCR, reciever, etc. The Gamecube is just another toy console that sits on the floor. More people want an entertainment system rather than simply a game console. The fact that the Gamecube doesn't have DVD capibility will really hurt it. The controller for Gamecube is a horrible design, imagine trying to play the latest Street Fighter game with that button layout, yikes! Smaller disk means smaller games or they will come in more expensive 2 disk versions, plus Gamecube has no where near the amount of developer support Xbox already has.

1- Tell me how come a console that is 1/4 of the size of the xbox a bad move? The Xbox is BIGGER than a VCR.
2- About the button layout, OMG ROFL!!! LOL HAHAHA, you moron, the Xbox COPIED the nintendo button layout, go see them both again, if your brain have any braincells left from all the microsoft brainwash you will notice that M$ copied the big N. IGN made a clay model of the gamecube controller and they say its the best, nothing in the market come close.
3- About the disk size, see another stupid post you did, you dont even search enough to make an intelligent post, the 8mm disk can store 1.5 GB of data, and they can compress up to 3gb of data in the disk if i remember right. Also you CANT copy the disk, what do you think developers will prefer, loosing 55% of their profit by going with xbox and see everyone copy their games or make 100% profit with the gamecube cause no hacker, even the best in the world will be able to make a working copy until 1-2 years?

4- the developers, Yea if you consider the 140 developer names that we NEVER heard of before and the 10 good developers left that are worth mentioning, then yea, Xbox win the award of the most unknown 3rd party support. Nintendo have the best 1st and 2nd party in the business, Square,konami,capcom,factor5,lucas art,Thq,acclaim,activision. Those are only the ones i remember, alot more will move to it after E3. Xbox wont have any advantage over gamecube, both will have around the same ammount of developers, but nintendo still have the best 1st and 2nd party.

This again is not true. Think about it. What PC game will take full advantage of an NV25 and a 733 mhz CPU? None. With a GeForce 1, PC games still do not make full use of it. Why? Because they have to cater to the lowest common denominator. The Xbox will have better graphics than a PC for years or until games require a minimum config of a P3 733 with an NV25. Since games are still being made to accomodate P2 233s, I predict that will be a ways off.

Haha again, PC games SCALE to the performance of your PC today, you can make a game run on a 300mhz or a 1.5ghz machine.

btw the nv25 doesnt exist, and wont go to the xbox, go at IGN a little more on the xbox section, its an Nv2A, no numbers, its only a modified version of NV20 that requires less power consumption than a PC.

Your the kind of fanboy that isnt making alot of research, You also think the consoles will kill the PC for years in games, notice that everytimes a new console come peoples like you say this, but PC always win and will win against xbox-gamecube-ps2. Doom3,wolfeinstein castle,unreal2 will be games that will put a 1.2 or even a 2000mhz with an nv20 to its knees at 1600x1200.

Btw you can try to argue with me, but you will have a REALLY hard time unless you search more, cause your posts are full of mistakes or old specs. And if you ask anyone that argue with me in other forums, they will probably tell you that im really really hard to beat, mostly in the video card/ console subject
Being a fanboy doesnt help you either.

btw are you working for microsoft or something? wouldnt surprise me..

"1- Tell me how come a console that is 1/4 of the size of the xbox a bad move? The Xbox is BIGGER than a VCR."

It's not the size but the shape. The xbox will easily fit in a stack with a VCR, reciever, CD player, etc. Can the Gamecube? No.

"2- About the button layout, OMG ROFL!!! LOL HAHAHA, you moron, the Xbox COPIED the nintendo button layout, go see them both again, if your brain have any braincells left from all the microsoft brainwash you will notice that M$ copied the big N. IGN made a clay model of the gamecube controller and they say its the best, nothing in the market come close."

If you look at both, you will see they are very different. The Gamecube has a big button in the center, with 3 buttons around it for a grand total of 4 buttons in wierd positions. The Xbox controller features 6 buttons lined up similar to the N64. I honestly can't see how you can say they copied the GC in terms of button layout.

"3- About the disk size, see another stupid post you did, you dont even search enough to make an intelligent post, the 8mm disk can store 1.5 GB of data, and they can compress up to 3gb of data in the disk if i remember right. Also you CANT copy the disk, what do you think developers will prefer, loosing 55% of their profit by going with xbox and see everyone copy their games or make 100% profit with the gamecube cause no hacker, even the best in the world will be able to make a working copy until 1-2 years?"

True, but a DVD the Xbox uses can hold over 8.5 gigs and even more if compressed. All console games are hacked eventually. I'm sure MS will be using some sort of encryption technology to make them difficult.

"4- the developers, Yea if you consider the 140 developer names that we NEVER heard of before and the 10 good developers left that are worth mentioning, then yea, Xbox win the award of the most unknown 3rd party support. Nintendo have the best 1st and 2nd party in the business, Square,konami,capcom,factor5,lucas art,Thq,acclaim,activision. Those are only the ones i remember, alot more will move to it after E3. Xbox wont have any advantage over gamecube, both will have around the same ammount of developers, but nintendo still have the best 1st and 2nd party."

Nintendo has two good first party franchises, Zelda and Metroid. Mario sells a lot but as a kids franchise, it doesn't hold my interest anymore. Xbox will have a lot of games that no other console will have available. I'll post a listing of developers in my next post.

"Haha again, PC games SCALE to the performance of your PC today, you can make a game run on a 300mhz or a 1.5ghz machine.

btw the nv25 doesnt exist, and wont go to the xbox, go at IGN a little more on the xbox section, its an Nv2A, no numbers, its only a modified version of NV20 that requires less power consumption than a PC.

Your the kind of fanboy that isnt making alot of research, You also think the consoles will kill the PC for years in games, notice that everytimes a new console come peoples like you say this, but PC always win and will win against xbox-gamecube-ps2. Doom3,wolfeinstein castle,unreal2 will be games that will put a 1.2 or even a 2000mhz with an nv20 to its knees at 1600x1200."

I know PC games scale but they still don't take full advantage. Remember the early screenshots of the tree when Nvidia was first releasing press information for the GeForce? That is the true power of the card. The card is capable of putting that into games now but there are no games for PC that can take advantage of it. Why? Like I stated before, the minimum system requirement would be too high and the game would not sell enough.

I know the NV25 doesn't exist and I know it's not going into the Xbox, the Xbox will be using a proprietary GPU that will not be available for PC use.

I never stated that consoles would kill PCs. I said that the Xbox will be better than PCs for a while because it will be just as easy to develop for and developers can take full advantage of it.

For comparison's sake, Doom 3 would look much better on an Xbox than it would on a state of the art PC. Because there will be features that the developers can include on the Xbox that they couldn't on PCs and have it work with ever PC type they are supporting.

Here is a full list of all developers currently supporting Xbox. Many are small, but every major developer, with the exception of Square will be supporting it and I have seen many rumors that Squre does plan to release FFXI for Xbox due to its multiplayer capibility.

Acclaim Entertainment
Activision
Aki
Alfa System
ALTAR interactive
Anchor
Angel Studios
Arc System Works
Argonaut Games
Arika
Artdink
Ask
Atlus
Attention to Detail
Awesome Developments
bam! Entertainment
Bandai
Barking Dog Studios
Bethesda Softworks
BioWare
Blue Byte Software
Blue Shift
Bunkasha Publishing
Capcom
Charybdis
Climax
Codemasters Software
Conspiracy Entertainment
Core Design
Crave Entertainment
Criterion Software
Cryo
Crystal Dynamics
Datam Polystar
Deep Red Games
DigitalWare
DMA Design
DreamCatcher
DreamForge Intertainment
Dwango
Dynamix
EA
Edge of Reality
Eidos Interactive
Empire Interactive
EON Digital Entertainment
Epic Games
Escape Factory
Fox Interactive
From Software (Japan)
Funcom
Gameplay
Gathering of Developers
Genki
Global A Entertainment
h.a.n.d.
H.I.C.
Hasbro Interactive
Havas Interactive
Headlock
Heavy Iron Studios
Housemarque
Hudson Soft
Humongous Entertainment Inc.
id Software
I-Imagine Interactive
image
Imagineer
Incredible Technologies
Infogrames
Interplay Entertainment
Jaleco
Kaboom Studios
Kalisto Entertainment
Kemco / Kotobuki System
Kodiak Interactive Software Studios
KOEI
Konomi
Kool Kizz Amusement Works
Kuju Entertainment
Legend Entertainment
LightWeight
Lost Boys Interactive
Majesco
Mass Media
Max-International
Melbourne House
MGM Interactive, a unit of Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer
Microids
Midas Interactive Entertainment
Midway Home Entertainment
Monolith Productions
Monster Games
Mythos Games
Nagi
Namco
Nest
Neversoft Entertainment
Nihilistic Software
Nihon Create
NovaLogic
Over Work's
Pacific Coast Power & Light
Panther Software
Papyrus
Paradigm Studios
Pipe Dream Interactive
Qube
R A C
Radical Entertainment
Rage
Raven Software
Red Storm Entertainment
Reflections Interactive
Ripcord Games
Riverhillsoft
Rockstar Games
Saffire
SCi Entertainment Group
SHOEISHA
Sierra
Silicon Dreams Studio
Simon & Schuster Interactive
SKY
SouthPeak Interactive
Spike
Starbreeze Studios
T&E Soft
Taito
Takara
Take-Two Interactive Software
Takuyo Kougyo
TDK Mediactive
Tecmo
Telenet Japan
Terminal Reality
The Collective
The LEGO Company
The Whole Experience
THQ
Titus
TopWare Interactive
Treasure
Ubi Soft Entertainment
Valve
Victor Interactive Software
Video System
Virgin Interactive
VIS Entertainment
Volition Inc.
Warthog PLC
XeNN Inc.
Yager Development
Yuki Enterprise Inc.
Zono Inc.

Why wouldnt the gamecube fit in the stack? it will, plus you can put your controllers there cause you still have SPACE, while your xbox will take the whole place (if there is enough) and you will have controllers somewhere on the ground cause you dont know where to put them. The xbox have the same shape as the gamecube, but the gamecube is 1/4 the size.

Controllers.... http://www.zdnet.com/gamespot/images/screenshots/vgnews/082400/spaceworld/gcperiph_screen011.jpg
http://sikander_iqbal.tripod.com/xbox/xboxd1.jpg

Now see the left layout, exactly like gamecube and dreamcast, right layout, the copied the camera control, xbox have 1 more button than the gc layout, thats about it. Its 90% the same layout, i guess your gonna have sooooo much hard times playing fight games right?

doom3 better on xbox? haha, so if we follow your "superior" logic, then unreal tournement on PS2 would be better than PC? get a clue, they had to turn down the graphics but yet PS2 runs it like crap, and its not cause the ps2 hardware is poor, its very very close to xbox.

And your developer list, about 10 of them are important, but yet they arent Xbox exclusive, so they will produce for the gamecube also, if you thought that N64 wasnt getting the Psx titles just because it was "nintendo", your wrong, its cause the n64 didnt have a disc, so about 90% of psx games would be cut in half cause they cant show rendered movies, but in the next war nintendo doesnt have any disavantage.

and if you think its sooo easy to develope for the xbox (dx8 aint anything close to easy to develope for) then read this..

"Numerical Design provides its game engine to GameCube developers.

Numerical Design Limited has announced that it plans to license its NetImmerse game engine to developers for use with the Nintendo GameCube platform. According to NDL, its NetImmerse engine can save developers approximately six months of development time and at least a year's worth of engineering costs, and it is designed for use in different genres and platforms.
"NDL's NetImmerse technology allows developers to rapidly create, port, and optimize software for the Nintendo GameCube," said Ramin Ravanpey, Nintendo's director of software development and support. "Our new system was designed with developers in mind, and we are pleased to add NetImmerse to the growing suite of powerful tools available to our developers."

"The higher-level interface offered by NetImmerse will enable developers to quickly create new titles," commented John Austin, president of NDL. "We have optimized the engine to take full advantage of the power of the Nintendo GameCube. Nintendo's selection of NetImmerse illustrates that NDL's game engine is a recognized standard for multiplatform game development."

The Nintendo GameCube is currently scheduled for an October 2001 launch in North America. Details on specific GameCube games will be released in May."

You think developers wont like it? lol

please read
Im NOT against the Xbox, Im gonna buy one with the gamecube, but gamecube is FAR from being out of the race, in fact i think nintendo will have their best year, they plan to sell 100 000 000 units of gameboy advance only this year, plus you can interact with the gamecube with it, another reason for peoples to consider it, if you think gameboys are only for kids, i know at least 20 adults that have one, why? cause their work is boring, and the gameboy entertain them.

Xbox will make alot of money and all but, sure wont dominate the market of consoles, japan is already saying it will sux cause of the size,japan isnt a country you want to piss off in the console war, look what happened to n64, their control was "to big" for them, nintendo didnt win the war against sony either...

quote:Originally posted by BuggyLoop:
Why wouldnt the gamecube fit in the stack? it will, plus you can put your controllers there cause you still have SPACE, while your xbox will take the whole place (if there is enough) and you will have controllers somewhere on the ground cause you dont know where to put them. The xbox have the same shape as the gamecube, but the gamecube is 1/4 the size.

Controllers.... http://www.zdnet.com/gamespot/images/screenshots/vgnews/082400/spaceworld/gcpe riph_screen011.jpg
http://sikander_iqbal.tripod.com/xbox/xboxd1.jpg

Now see the left layout, exactly like gamecube and dreamcast, right layout, the copied the camera control, xbox have 1 more button than the gc layout, thats about it. Its 90% the same layout, i guess your gonna have sooooo much hard times playing fight games right?

doom3 better on xbox? haha, so if we follow your "superior" logic, then unreal tournement on PS2 would be better than PC? get a clue, they had to turn down the graphics but yet PS2 runs it like crap, and its not cause the ps2 hardware is poor, its very very close to xbox.

You're wrong, the Xbox controller has two rows of buttons with 3 buttons in each row for a total of 6 buttons. The GC only has 4 buttons and they're not put into nice even rows.

UT on the PS2 could be better than on a PC if the developers knew how to take full advantage of the system's hardware. Also, Xbox will have 3x the graphical and computational performance of PS2.

3x the performance of ps2, see thats why i say your full of it, go say that at the forum of Xbox at IGN , and EVEN the Xbox hardcore fans will laugh at you, dont be stupid and believe everything MS says.

If everything companies would say were true then the ps2 would be 7 times faster than a dreamcast (which is laughable) and a ps2 would be 1000 times faster than a Geforce 2, i hope your parents learned you that you cant always believe 100% of what companies say. heck froot loops are 100% natural like they once said on the box? hope you see the point.

At least it's American!

yea its american, but most developers are from japan so lol

Good to see we wont have to wait 4 months after japan release to have a new console though

Geez, I can't even keep up. lol I think you are forgetting that the XBox is going after the same market as the PS2. These are totally different then the Gamecube. The Gamecube is a GAME SYSTEM! its geared towards the younger crowd but with some of the 2nd and 3rd party developers it will have more then enough adult oriented games. I thinkt he price is the sticking point, I don't think any of these systems are going to dominate... I think you will have people who have the ps2 and gamecube, or xbox and gamecube and so on. I would still like the specs on the Xbox graphic chip.... I can't find anything on it except some older specs which are incorrect now.

Not sure what you mean sol, different market than gamecube? if you mean the DVD, gamecube will have a DVD version from panasonic, will cost more, probably in same range as ps2.

But me, i will buy both Xbox and gamecube, if gamecube would have dvd i would spend 100$ for nothing cause Xbox already have dvd, see how nintendo is smart? on the other hand if peoples buy gamecube alone, you can get the dvd version.

Lol this is funny

check this out sol
http://www.htloz.com/xbox_gamecube/XBOXMACHINE.html

That is pretty funny. At least now you can see that the button layout for Xbox has nothing in common with Gamecube.

quote:Originally posted by BuggyLoop:
Not sure what you mean sol, different market than gamecube? if you mean the DVD, gamecube will have a DVD version from panasonic, will cost more, probably in same range as ps2.

But me, i will buy both Xbox and gamecube, if gamecube would have dvd i would spend 100$ for nothing cause Xbox already have dvd, see how nintendo is smart? on the other hand if peoples buy gamecube alone, you can get the dvd version.

It's simple, PS2 and XBox will be going for the high tech older group where the Gamecube will be going for the younger group. Lets say little timmy goes to the mall, what do you think his parents will be more likely to buy for timmy, a $150 Nintendo system or a $300 XBox.... they are aiming at two different audiences. sorry i didnt make that clear. Don't get me wrong, I know they are all game systems and going after the same overall group, but it's known that Nitnendo is simply aiming their system to be a gaming system and thats that. The Xbox and PS2 has DVD playback and so on.